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Rob G · 08-09-2012, 04:17 PM

I've been a cigar smoker for a while but I have very little knowledge when it comes to seconds that are sold by many sellers, such as Hoyt's. It seems to me that many of the "seconds" might not actually be faulty, but that there's an overrun and they need to sell them. So they call them seconds and sell them at a lower price. They don't want to lower the price of the original cigar, but they're willing to sell them as "seconds."

Any thoughts to this theory?

Because, seriously, if a company has that many faulty cigars, what's to say that the 1st class cigars are also not problematic?

grtrx · 08-09-2012, 05:14 PM

long ago Lew from JR said they were from both sources - blemishes etc and over runs.

Rob G · 08-09-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by grtrx

long ago Lew from JR said they were from both sources - blemishes etc and over runs.

So, basically, some of them are identical, while others have some cosmetic flaws. But everything else is the same?

I usually smoke in the dark, so I'm really not concerned about how my cigar looks.

Rob G · 08-09-2012, 05:30 PM

Hey, I just noticed that my question about seconds is in the wrong thread. In fact, I had tried to start a new thread regarding seconds. Can a mod fix that please?

grtrx · 08-10-2012, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob G

Hey, I just noticed that my question about seconds is in the wrong thread. In fact, I had tried to start a new thread regarding seconds. Can a mod fix that please?

sorry I'm inmoderate

Mad Dawg · 08-10-2012, 04:13 AM

Boom, done!

---

Most of the "seconds" I've had have been virtually indistinguishable from "firsts" other than by their lack of bands/boxes. In some cases, I've been able to find small cosmetic defects in the wrappers, but in many cases I can find no defect at all. Serious construction problems? Nope.

To me, the indication is not that the company has "that many faulty cigars," but rather that they have high standards.

Recent favorite: Alec Bradley 90+ Rated Seconds, coronas, from CI. I'm convinced they're seconds of the Tempus Genesis, and every one I've had has been outstanding. For about $2, they ROCK!

grtrx · 08-10-2012, 08:36 AM

there used to be a brand called private stock that was Keltner seconds, including Davidoff and Avo. Not easy to find but always good.

I also remember Matasa 2nds from JR that were really good although some were soft. But the flavors were great, even if the wrappers were sometimes a little odd.

KatDad · 08-10-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by grtrx

I also remember Matasa 2nds from JR that were really good although some were soft. But the flavors were great, even if the wrappers were sometimes a little odd.

Yes sir, used to love those Matasa 2nds coronas.

Breech · 08-10-2012, 10:50 AM

Famous used to get RP Factory Select SG's that were fantastic.... Haven't seen one of those in months (i smoked my last 2 earlier this spring), and haven't seen them sold, or for sale, in a very long time (over 1 year)....

Too bad!

j

grtrx · 08-10-2012, 11:38 AM

with the plethora of front marks and lines and all that you'd think there must be a lot of seconds via over run but I think maybe 2nds are now branded as some of the low end lines from the big vendors.

That is 100% guess work on my part. Lew also once said that some of the 2nd lines were not 2nds because if you made that many bad cigars... which gets back to over runs, stuff that was never sold, etc (which was part of the consuegra content).

End of the day a lot of how the cigar industry works is known by insiders only from what I can tell and few of us are insiders.

08-09-2012, 04:17 PM	#1
Rob G Contributing Editor Herf God Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Camillus, NY Posts: 16,119	Seconds I've been a cigar smoker for a while but I have very little knowledge when it comes to seconds that are sold by many sellers, such as Hoyt's. It seems to me that many of the "seconds" might not actually be faulty, but that there's an overrun and they need to sell them. So they call them seconds and sell them at a lower price. They don't want to lower the price of the original cigar, but they're willing to sell them as "seconds." Any thoughts to this theory? Because, seriously, if a company has that many faulty cigars, what's to say that the 1st class cigars are also not problematic? __________________ Rob If people can tell me where to smoke, I can tell them where to go, too.

08-09-2012, 05:14 PM	#2
grtrx Contributing Editor Herf God Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Naperville IL Posts: 44,579	long ago Lew from JR said they were from both sources - blemishes etc and over runs. __________________ "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill "A sick thought can devour the body's flesh more than fever or consumption." - Guy de Maupassant

08-09-2012, 05:30 PM	#4
Rob G Contributing Editor Herf God Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Camillus, NY Posts: 16,119	Hey, I just noticed that my question about seconds is in the wrong thread. In fact, I had tried to start a new thread regarding seconds. Can a mod fix that please? __________________ Rob If people can tell me where to smoke, I can tell them where to go, too.

08-10-2012, 04:13 AM	#6
Mad Dawg Administrator Herf Dog Herf God Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Texas Posts: 34,199	Boom, done! --- Most of the "seconds" I've had have been virtually indistinguishable from "firsts" other than by their lack of bands/boxes. In some cases, I've been able to find small cosmetic defects in the wrappers, but in many cases I can find no defect at all. Serious construction problems? Nope. To me, the indication is not that the company has "that many faulty cigars," but rather that they have high standards. Recent favorite: Alec Bradley 90+ Rated Seconds, coronas, from CI. I'm convinced they're seconds of the Tempus Genesis, and every one I've had has been outstanding. For about $2, they ROCK! __________________ Gone, But Never Forgotten. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ That which does not kill me....has made a grave tactical error.

08-10-2012, 08:36 AM	#7
grtrx Contributing Editor Herf God Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Naperville IL Posts: 44,579	there used to be a brand called private stock that was Keltner seconds, including Davidoff and Avo. Not easy to find but always good. I also remember Matasa 2nds from JR that were really good although some were soft. But the flavors were great, even if the wrappers were sometimes a little odd. __________________ "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill "A sick thought can devour the body's flesh more than fever or consumption." - Guy de Maupassant

08-10-2012, 10:50 AM	#9
Breech Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Inna Godda Devita...... Posts: 3,838	Famous used to get RP Factory Select SG's that were fantastic.... Haven't seen one of those in months (i smoked my last 2 earlier this spring), and haven't seen them sold, or for sale, in a very long time (over 1 year).... Too bad! j __________________ Now, when I was young boy at the age a-five, my mother said I was gonna be the greatest man alive - Muddy Waters Talkin' 'bout some back rent, she lucky if she get any front rent.- John Lee Hooker Strike While The Iron Is Hot!!

08-10-2012, 11:38 AM	#10
grtrx Contributing Editor Herf God Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Naperville IL Posts: 44,579	with the plethora of front marks and lines and all that you'd think there must be a lot of seconds via over run but I think maybe 2nds are now branded as some of the low end lines from the big vendors. That is 100% guess work on my part. Lew also once said that some of the 2nd lines were not 2nds because if you made that many bad cigars... which gets back to over runs, stuff that was never sold, etc (which was part of the consuegra content). End of the day a lot of how the cigar industry works is known by insiders only from what I can tell and few of us are insiders. __________________ "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill "A sick thought can devour the body's flesh more than fever or consumption." - Guy de Maupassant

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