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jefslat · 02-22-2003, 11:28 AM

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Morticia · 02-22-2003, 12:38 PM

Most influential? None of these are old school. I suppose if you hadn't put songs in, I'd have chosen Run DMC. Personally, I think that the one most influential in rap was Kurtis Blow.

Unless you want to talk about who brought about hip hop and changed the "face" of rap. Or, do you want to talk about who is most influential in rap today? Doesn't matter...none of the answers to these are on your list.

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Guv · 02-22-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Morticia

Most influential? None of these are old school.

I respectfully disagree...Sugar Hill Gang is as old school as they come. They are the true innovators of Rap Music. Well before all this "Kill the man" & "F*ck some Ho" shit that exists today.

Rapper's Delight is still mixed into current music today...some 24 years later.

emind56 · 02-22-2003, 08:37 PM

Seems to me that the Sugar Hill Gang was one of thefirst commercial rap groups and certainly can be given some credit for their breakthrough. But I would argue that the most influential stuff has always been the underground hip-hop that never even makes it to the radio or Best-buy.

grendle · 02-23-2003, 08:54 AM

I've never heard of the sugar hill gang.

I think NWA is pretty significant since several of it's members are still actively influencial. Ice-t is still around, but I can think of at least three NWA guys who are around.

jefslat · 02-23-2003, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morticia

Most influential? None of these are old school. I suppose if you hadn't put songs in, I'd have chosen Run DMC. Personally, I think that the one most influential in rap was Kurtis Blow.

Unless you want to talk about who brought about hip hop and changed the "face" of rap. Or, do you want to talk about who is most influential in rap today? Doesn't matter...none of the answers to these are on your list.

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Who, then?

NWA featured Dr Dre, arguably the most importand and influential person ever in hip-hop (with the possible exception of Russel Simmons, who never rapped himself).
Run DMC brought rap out of the ghettos to the main stream.
And who doesn't recognize Rapper's Delight. Hell, it's sampled over and over in hip hop today. How is that not influential?
Ice-T and NWA reared the ugly head of "gangsta" rap, bringing it to the attention of all.
House of Pain? All I can say is, "Jump around."

What gets to me is when the music tv channels bow to their current faves to call them "most influential." Missy Eliot, for example, is all over hip hop right now but really hasn't been at it long enough to be what I would consider influential.

CHESS NUT · 02-25-2003, 08:45 PM

I voted for walk this way because it was a crossover album and got people listening to rap who would ordinarily shy away from it. Also Id like to shae a thought. I feel that rap music does ow a little something to the music of the 50's Remember some of those old songs where the are a few verses that are spoken. The connection may be slim but I kinda feel it is there.

The Garfather · 02-26-2003, 01:07 AM

The correct answer is Run DMC. That's not just my opinion either, its really well documented. Without them rap would be nothing more than poor black kids in the ghetto trying to add rhythm to their rhymes. Without rap going mainstream there would never have been a market for Dr Dre or anyone else to make so much as a nickel.

ClancyDaBulldog · 02-26-2003, 04:01 AM

Sugar Hill is WAY old school and Rappers delight was the first "rap song" to hit the US top 40 in 1979.

Blondie (with Fab Five Freddy) hit #1 in 1981 with the tune "Rapture". The song (video) got maximum airplay on MTV which brought rap to the caucasian masses.

Side note: Run DMC's first album (self titled) went gold in 1984

Btw, why didn't you include Digital Underground in your poll Jeff? Humpty was way cool!

Faust · 02-26-2003, 05:17 AM

Had to go with NWA, just a heart felt personal favorite.

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Morticia Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, OR USA Posts: 806	Most influential? None of these are old school. I suppose if you hadn't put songs in, I'd have chosen Run DMC. Personally, I think that the one most influential in rap was Kurtis Blow. Unless you want to talk about who brought about hip hop and changed the "face" of rap. Or, do you want to talk about who is most influential in rap today? Doesn't matter...none of the answers to these are on your list. my __________________ Cognac and cigars... it's like finding the perfect woman. When you've got her, why go chasing after another? - Michael Nouri

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CHESS NUT Club Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 3,277	I voted for walk this way because it was a crossover album and got people listening to rap who would ordinarily shy away from it. Also Id like to shae a thought. I feel that rap music does ow a little something to the music of the 50's Remember some of those old songs where the are a few verses that are spoken. The connection may be slim but I kinda feel it is there. __________________ SEND LAWYERS, GUNS AND MONEY!

02-26-2003, 01:07 AM	#8
The Garfather Herf Meister Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 5,265	The correct answer is Run DMC. That's not just my opinion either, its really well documented. Without them rap would be nothing more than poor black kids in the ghetto trying to add rhythm to their rhymes. Without rap going mainstream there would never have been a market for Dr Dre or anyone else to make so much as a nickel. __________________ --Smokelikeabigdog

02-26-2003, 04:01 AM	#9
ClancyDaBulldog Club Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Connecticut Western Reserve Posts: 3,236	Sugar Hill is WAY old school and Rappers delight was the first "rap song" to hit the US top 40 in 1979. Blondie (with Fab Five Freddy) hit #1 in 1981 with the tune "Rapture". The song (video) got maximum airplay on MTV which brought rap to the caucasian masses. Side note: Run DMC's first album (self titled) went gold in 1984 Btw, why didn't you include Digital Underground in your poll Jeff? Humpty was way cool! __________________ "This is what happens when you give drugs to white trash, this is like the Trailer Park Boys meets the Sopranos" - Yves Lavigne.

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02-22-2003, 08:37 PM	#4
emind56 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Nepal Posts: 1,586	Seems to me that the Sugar Hill Gang was one of thefirst commercial rap groups and certainly can be given some credit for their breakthrough. But I would argue that the most influential stuff has always been the underground hip-hop that never even makes it to the radio or Best-buy.

02-23-2003, 08:54 AM	#5
grendle Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 306	I've never heard of the sugar hill gang. I think NWA is pretty significant since several of it's members are still actively influencial. Ice-t is still around, but I can think of at least three NWA guys who are around.