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BigO · 08-08-2018, 03:52 AM

https://www.bloombergquint.com/busin...ebrity-tv-chef

The era of the "celebrity chef" seems to be drawing to a close.

Osmond · 08-08-2018, 08:56 AM

While the issues the article discusses may be having some affect on the celebrity chef restaurant closings there are all types of higher end restaurants closing and I ascribe the closing to two things.

1) In Britain, the Brexit issue has all sorts of development on hold and many businesses are retrenching to see what happens. Especially in the City of London where many finance companies are looking to decamp to Frankfurt.

2) In the US, the tax law changes to the deductiblity of meals have companies instructing sales people and staffs to choose less expensive options for entertaining. (Same goes for all those sports box seats that have lost deductibility.

The part of the article that I think is most accurate was the non-renewal of leases. Real estate prices in most metro areas with high end restaurants are up significantly from the post recession era when landlords had lowered rents and offered 100% buildouts to get tenants into their buildings.

BigO · 08-08-2018, 09:19 AM

Legitimate points all.

beevod · 08-08-2018, 02:39 PM

"Celebrity chef" is nearly an oxymoron. (I like, "Celebrity Short Order Cook")

grtrx · 08-08-2018, 02:54 PM

fine dining has been is decline for some time as Gen Z and the millennials don't seem to be into that. Ans being a celebrity doesn't make you a business person.

Also rents in big cities are some enormous it amazes me anyone has money leftover to go to McDonalds

BigO · 08-08-2018, 05:00 PM

I was shocked at what a burger cost in Manhattan, and that was 20 years ago.

BigO · 08-19-2018, 03:00 PM

Speaking of peasant foods, we're having marrow bones tonight. Ks favorite. Found a good deal on them serendipitously at the store this afternoon.

When she's done with them, the dog will love the bones.

grtrx · 08-19-2018, 03:37 PM

I would say that the likes of Sean Brock and others assures peasant fgood will be a thing, it is a thing. Trust me, you eat in Spain, and cow tails, ham and any of the several soups (garlic, and the ones of lentils or great big white beans) are anything but haute....

BigO · 08-20-2018, 06:09 AM

Not familiar with Brock. Need to look him up.

I have an entire 3" binder with peasant food recipes from a magazine called Sphere in the 70s. It wasn't just fondue. Reminds me, I haven't served fondue in ages. The Melting Pot was the last time I remember eating fondue, and that was more than ten years ago. Surprised that it's still open.

Time to dig out the fondue pot. I preferred the fried or chocolate to the cheese fondues. Good Emmenthaler is expensive.

grtrx · 08-20-2018, 12:11 PM

you might try finding the various seasons of "Mind of a Chef"... worth watching. Brock features prominently in one

08-08-2018, 03:52 AM	#1
BigO Publisher/Owner El Chefé BBQ Guru Herf God Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Atlanta. Posts: 55,778	Trends https://www.bloombergquint.com/busin...ebrity-tv-chef The era of the "celebrity chef" seems to be drawing to a close. __________________ Every time you think you've become too cynical, the world finds a way to teach you that the real problem is that you haven't become cynical enough Free speech is free speech is free speech. There is no qualifier. If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention. Never attribute malice to that what can be explained as stupidity. Unborn lives matter too. Last edited by BigO; 08-08-2018 at 04:14 AM.

08-08-2018, 08:56 AM	#2
Osmond Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,257	While the issues the article discusses may be having some affect on the celebrity chef restaurant closings there are all types of higher end restaurants closing and I ascribe the closing to two things. 1) In Britain, the Brexit issue has all sorts of development on hold and many businesses are retrenching to see what happens. Especially in the City of London where many finance companies are looking to decamp to Frankfurt. 2) In the US, the tax law changes to the deductiblity of meals have companies instructing sales people and staffs to choose less expensive options for entertaining. (Same goes for all those sports box seats that have lost deductibility. The part of the article that I think is most accurate was the non-renewal of leases. Real estate prices in most metro areas with high end restaurants are up significantly from the post recession era when landlords had lowered rents and offered 100% buildouts to get tenants into their buildings. __________________ "Those who rarely, if ever, think very far into the past or ahead into the future by more than a few months - tend to be the most rigid and rule-anchored, struggling with change of any kind." Dr. Robert K Cooper

08-08-2018, 09:19 AM	#3
BigO Publisher/Owner El Chefé BBQ Guru Herf God Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Atlanta. Posts: 55,778	Legitimate points all. __________________ Every time you think you've become too cynical, the world finds a way to teach you that the real problem is that you haven't become cynical enough Free speech is free speech is free speech. There is no qualifier. If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention. Never attribute malice to that what can be explained as stupidity. Unborn lives matter too.

08-08-2018, 02:39 PM	#4
beevod Herf God Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York City Posts: 20,927	"Celebrity chef" is nearly an oxymoron. (I like, "Celebrity Short Order Cook") __________________ "Moderation in all things. Excess in everything else."

08-08-2018, 02:54 PM	#5
grtrx Contributing Editor Herf God Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Naperville IL Posts: 44,579	fine dining has been is decline for some time as Gen Z and the millennials don't seem to be into that. Ans being a celebrity doesn't make you a business person. Also rents in big cities are some enormous it amazes me anyone has money leftover to go to McDonalds __________________ "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill "A sick thought can devour the body's flesh more than fever or consumption." - Guy de Maupassant

08-08-2018, 05:00 PM	#6
BigO Publisher/Owner El Chefé BBQ Guru Herf God Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Atlanta. Posts: 55,778	I was shocked at what a burger cost in Manhattan, and that was 20 years ago. __________________ Every time you think you've become too cynical, the world finds a way to teach you that the real problem is that you haven't become cynical enough Free speech is free speech is free speech. There is no qualifier. If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention. Never attribute malice to that what can be explained as stupidity. Unborn lives matter too.

08-19-2018, 03:00 PM	#7
BigO Publisher/Owner El Chefé BBQ Guru Herf God Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Atlanta. Posts: 55,778	Speaking of peasant foods, we're having marrow bones tonight. Ks favorite. Found a good deal on them serendipitously at the store this afternoon. When she's done with them, the dog will love the bones. __________________ Every time you think you've become too cynical, the world finds a way to teach you that the real problem is that you haven't become cynical enough Free speech is free speech is free speech. There is no qualifier. If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention. Never attribute malice to that what can be explained as stupidity. Unborn lives matter too.

08-19-2018, 03:37 PM	#8
grtrx Contributing Editor Herf God Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Naperville IL Posts: 44,579	I would say that the likes of Sean Brock and others assures peasant fgood will be a thing, it is a thing. Trust me, you eat in Spain, and cow tails, ham and any of the several soups (garlic, and the ones of lentils or great big white beans) are anything but haute.... __________________ "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill "A sick thought can devour the body's flesh more than fever or consumption." - Guy de Maupassant

08-20-2018, 06:09 AM	#9
BigO Publisher/Owner El Chefé BBQ Guru Herf God Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Atlanta. Posts: 55,778	Not familiar with Brock. Need to look him up. I have an entire 3" binder with peasant food recipes from a magazine called Sphere in the 70s. It wasn't just fondue. Reminds me, I haven't served fondue in ages. The Melting Pot was the last time I remember eating fondue, and that was more than ten years ago. Surprised that it's still open. Time to dig out the fondue pot. I preferred the fried or chocolate to the cheese fondues. Good Emmenthaler is expensive. __________________ Every time you think you've become too cynical, the world finds a way to teach you that the real problem is that you haven't become cynical enough Free speech is free speech is free speech. There is no qualifier. If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention. Never attribute malice to that what can be explained as stupidity. Unborn lives matter too.

08-20-2018, 12:11 PM	#10
grtrx Contributing Editor Herf God Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Naperville IL Posts: 44,579	you might try finding the various seasons of "Mind of a Chef"... worth watching. Brock features prominently in one __________________ "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill "A sick thought can devour the body's flesh more than fever or consumption." - Guy de Maupassant

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