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Rob G · 03-16-2013, 05:51 AM

I took the advice of some people on this forum and ordered a HOYO DE MONTERREY BUNDLE- NO. 450 ROBUSTO and a bundle of #9 Connies. These should be similar. The price was good on both and I want to test these out to see how they compare to the Punch Roths I love so much. These were sort of a little present to myself after filing my taxes.

KatDad · 03-16-2013, 06:38 AM

You won't be disappointed.

spiridon · 03-16-2013, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KatDad

You won't be disappointed.

Agreed! It's been a while since I've had either of these, but remember they were always quite tasty! Enjoy! .....and let us know what ya think.

SmoKerch · 03-16-2013, 09:05 AM

Briandg · 03-16-2013, 04:46 PM

The roth was a commodity cigar at villazon. At one time, i have read, they manufactured only a few actual "Recipes" of roths. In reality, when production runs all day, all year, on a cigar, it genuinely becomes a generic item. One of the reasons it was a great deal for them was the fact that the very smallest wrapper leaves could be split, and each leaf would produce 4 cigars. The 5 or 5.5 inch vitolas couldn't be done this way. wrapper is the most expensive component, and if a wrapper leaf can be used for two roths instead of a single corona, well, do the math.

The roths were stored sorted by wrapper and components and packaged as orders came in. The punch, hoyo, and several other brands were the same cigars, drawn from the same stock, and boxed as needed. ERDM used different wrappers and binders, as did ult, IIRC. You would find nearly any roth in a #9, for example, but the hoyo, punch, JR alternatives, and some other private labels would have been just randomly pulled from the warehouses full of generic roths.

even now, I expect that there's going to be very little difference between punch and hoyo, and if the story is true, the bundles are pulled from the same production runs, just banded and bundled differently and sold at a far greater discount than is really called for. A dress box costs about $4, I've heard. Realistically speaking, the bundle should sell at no more than a five or maybe eight dollar discount.

Rob G · 03-16-2013, 05:41 PM

There was a time when a box was important to me for storage purposes. Now that my Aristocrat is full of drawers I no longer care about the boxes, as everything comes out of the boxes and is placed in the drawers.

03-16-2013, 05:51 AM	#1
Rob G Contributing Editor Herf God Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Camillus, NY Posts: 16,122	I placed an order with JR I took the advice of some people on this forum and ordered a HOYO DE MONTERREY BUNDLE- NO. 450 ROBUSTO and a bundle of #9 Connies. These should be similar. The price was good on both and I want to test these out to see how they compare to the Punch Roths I love so much. These were sort of a little present to myself after filing my taxes. __________________ Rob If people can tell me where to smoke, I can tell them where to go, too.

03-16-2013, 06:38 AM	#2
KatDad Herf God Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 30,281	You won't be disappointed. __________________ The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it George Bernard Shaw The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule it H. L. Mencken The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants Albert Camus The Land of the Free Because of the Brave

03-16-2013, 09:05 AM	#4
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03-16-2013, 05:41 PM	#6
Rob G Contributing Editor Herf God Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Camillus, NY Posts: 16,122	There was a time when a box was important to me for storage purposes. Now that my Aristocrat is full of drawers I no longer care about the boxes, as everything comes out of the boxes and is placed in the drawers. __________________ Rob If people can tell me where to smoke, I can tell them where to go, too. Last edited by Rob G; 03-18-2013 at 03:46 PM.

03-16-2013, 04:46 PM	#5
Briandg CW Squirrel Wrangler Herf God Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: southwest Missouri Posts: 35,518	The roth was a commodity cigar at villazon. At one time, i have read, they manufactured only a few actual "Recipes" of roths. In reality, when production runs all day, all year, on a cigar, it genuinely becomes a generic item. One of the reasons it was a great deal for them was the fact that the very smallest wrapper leaves could be split, and each leaf would produce 4 cigars. The 5 or 5.5 inch vitolas couldn't be done this way. wrapper is the most expensive component, and if a wrapper leaf can be used for two roths instead of a single corona, well, do the math. The roths were stored sorted by wrapper and components and packaged as orders came in. The punch, hoyo, and several other brands were the same cigars, drawn from the same stock, and boxed as needed. ERDM used different wrappers and binders, as did ult, IIRC. You would find nearly any roth in a #9, for example, but the hoyo, punch, JR alternatives, and some other private labels would have been just randomly pulled from the warehouses full of generic roths. even now, I expect that there's going to be very little difference between punch and hoyo, and if the story is true, the bundles are pulled from the same production runs, just banded and bundled differently and sold at a far greater discount than is really called for. A dress box costs about $4, I've heard. Realistically speaking, the bundle should sell at no more than a five or maybe eight dollar discount.