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Old 09-19-2018, 06:16 AM   #1
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Anyone remember Pinars?

Those sticks purportedly made with "pre-embargo" Cuban tobacco warehoused in the '50's and tied up in probate until 2003 or thereabouts? I remember the argy-bargy and chimp-screaming by the naysayers, and eventually the hue and cry driving the price into the dumper. I picked up a few fivers of the P2000's (robustos with "85% PE Cuban/15% Ecuadorian" tobacco) from C-Bid for like $15 each before they disappeared altogether, thought they were solid smokes for the price regardless of their origin.


Well, rooting around in the rotation coolerdor for a lawn mowing smoke yesterday, I stumbled across a few that had somehow escaped my attention for the last decade. They've mellowed over the years, softened from medium to mild body but they've maintained nice flavors. Would make a very nice morning smoke with coffee. Not sorry I grabbed some...
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:23 PM   #2
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Paul Magier was a member here. I remember meeting him at RTDA he was nice eniugh in person.
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I love those kind of coolidor discoveries! 👍🏼👍🏼
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As I get older, I keep discovering all kinds of new stuff in the coolerdor.
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As I get older, I keep discovering all kinds of new stuff in the coolerdor.
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Old 09-22-2018, 11:01 AM   #6
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Well, rooting around in the rotation coolerdor for a lawn mowing smoke yesterday, I stumbled across a few that had somehow escaped my attention for the last decade. They've mellowed over the years, softened from medium to mild body but they've maintained nice flavors. Would make a very nice morning smoke with coffee. Not sorry I grabbed some...
sixty year old tobacco shouldn't have mellowed to any significant level, I would have thought.

I remember part of the story. You said that the stuff had been locked in probate? I can't help wondering if it had been stored properly in all the forty years it was being argued about.

Unless I'm making a great big mistake here, there would be an unbelievable number of acts of perjury it it wasn't true. Every reference to the origin of the tobacco as grown in cuba, every secondary reference, every paper that was presented in court, well, from the very first entry it would be perjury.

So, what does that mean?

But, otoh, how did it avoid being seized when castro took over?
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Pre-embargo items were not made illegal.
And I ba e several exsmpmes of cigars that mellow with age: Opus (which are just plain nasty when new), old Cubans, the La Luna MF that was amazing when released but have afed into bland sticks of nothingness.
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sixty year old tobacco shouldn't have mellowed to any significant level, I would have thought.

I remember part of the story. You said that the stuff had been locked in probate? I can't help wondering if it had been stored properly in all the forty years it was being argued about.

Unless I'm making a great big mistake here, there would be an unbelievable number of acts of perjury it it wasn't true. Every reference to the origin of the tobacco as grown in cuba, every secondary reference, every paper that was presented in court, well, from the very first entry it would be perjury.

So, what does that mean?

But, otoh, how did it avoid being seized when castro took over?
IIRC, the story was that it was one or more bales of leaf that were in a warehouse...climate controlled, see? And as gumby says, if it was in the USofA when the embargo was declared, it was fine. Kennedy supposedly sent his peeps to buy up all of the H. Upmann candelas (?) in D.C. before he signed the order.
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And really, I guess my point wasn't so much the original story as finding cigars that I paid about $3 for years ago and still diggin' 'em. I'm like gumby in that I love stumbling over forgotten goodies in the coolerdor.
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That is a great story. So it was here in storage for a probate. Finck has always told the story that he had a bunch of pre-embargo stored and was salting it into short filler cigars even as far back as fifteen years ago or so.

I just ain't gonna touch the question. So much BS in the world.

I understand how great it is to find the treasures like that. `Seriously, I just found my marsh wheelings a few weeks ago. I bought a box of them forever ago, and they were really great, simple. they are still really good.
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