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Old 10-07-2014, 11:59 AM   #21
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If I'm on a guaranteed contract with a company, they can have a non-compete.
If I'm 'work at will' where they can terminate me at their leisure, like hell I will.
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Old 10-08-2014, 03:15 AM   #22
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:06 AM   #23
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Roger, I have absolutely no doubt that you haven't had a few noncompete contracts throughout your lifetime. Even I'd make you sign one, and hell fire, I'm retired! The last damned thing I need is someone coming along and doing this better, quicker, more efficiently, and provide better service and a more attractive benefits package.

Not to mention that you're a hell of a lot better looking than I am.

I've seen some of your history. It's very impressive. You are the Wankel of the business world.
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:21 AM   #24
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i read an article about china years ago. The "free market" that is supposedly being developed in china is so far from correct that it is making even stalin roll in his grave.

An anecdote provided involved a businessman who created a machine that manufactured small, simple items. He hired people to run that machine. an engineer/mechanic created blueprints, and started selling pirated versions of the machine to competing manufacturers at a tiny fraction of the development price. Eventually, the pirate even managed to improve on the original design. The guy who put all of the work into design and development was shut out, competitors got into the business at a fraction of the initial cost, and undercut with shoddy products. (Hey, sound familiar yet?)

This is all basically the american way, right?

No. An american would have been able to patent and protect his technology. an american would have been able to protect his interests by contracts preventing the employees from stealing intellectual property. He would have been able to sue the company/employee who walked away with design or other information and used it in either self interest or the interests of others.

We learned that you either protect businesses, or they will be literally destroyed. Right or wrong, we have put limitations on the competitive nature of business. Tariffs. Copyright and patent protection. The system is abused. it doeasn't always work. frequently it fails to protect small business from big business who don't care how much they spend in order to get what they desire.

Nothing is perfect. With a little luck, torano and company will make money on the sale, the tobacco products will maintain quality, charlie will stay on as "advisor" for a number of years doing the same thing he has done all this time, and when his contract is up, he will move on, like so many others, to open a new business, maybe "CT cigars."

CAO did this. Camacho did. Ernesto carillo did, frank llaneza did, so on, so on. You can't keep a good man out of business. It is in their nature. It's reasonable to tie them up long enough to present less of a threat until the transition is long forgotten.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:33 AM   #25
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If I'm on a guaranteed contract with a company, they can have a non-compete.
If I'm 'work at will' where they can terminate me at their leisure, like hell I will.
well there is anther issue with enforce-ability on non competes. We see them, heck I just hired a guy from a competitor...

I have signed a non disclosure, meaning I can leave but I cannot cough up client lists, procedures, etc. if I leave
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:51 AM   #26
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In 'work at will' states, like georgia, non-competes are virtually unenforceable except for, as you call it, major players. A major radio personality, for example, was on hiatus for a full year. Stopped him from being on the air, it did - but did not stop his new station from paying him. nor did it stop him from reading advertisements... nor from the new station from promoting the hell out of his 'up coming show'...

I don't think that non-compete worked out too well for anyone, except the radio personality...

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Old 10-21-2014, 10:14 AM   #27
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There is a company here that uses non compete. Well, there isn't anything that can be done if they leave that company besides compete, or leave the state. They enforced it sometimes. People had no choice but to move, because they worked for the shittiest company in the state, and didn't have a choice when taking that sucky entry level job. They would not have been hired without it, and hell, their career here was over when it was excersized.

I like them for what they are needed for. This company used them only to hurt people. They were very judiciously enforced, only on people who were marked for destruction by the kooks who ran the asylum.
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