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Old 06-11-2014, 12:17 PM   #1
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I received an email form cigar bid today saying if the FDA's 410 cigar thing goes into affect, they will have to close down CB. This FDA proposal is really going to affect more than I realized concerning cigar business. What else have you heard will be affected if this FDA proposal goes into affect?
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Old 06-11-2014, 10:03 PM   #2
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prices will go way up

there is at least one other thread going on the topic, CW members really really need to post comments to the FDA website

Cigar Rights of America has this to help with your commetns and link you to the comments website

http://cigarrights.org/fda-response.php
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:52 PM   #3
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prices will go way up

there is at least one other thread going on the topic, CW members really really need to post comments to the FDA website

Cigar Rights of America has this to help with your commetns and link you to the comments website

http://cigarrights.org/fda-response.php
Most definitely what Jeff said!
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What I don't see happening is every manufacturer out there raising their prices to $10+/per, as cbid and the others are saying.

Keep in mind that the FDA has "controlled" cigarettes for decades. Sure, manufacturers don't want that to happen to cigars, but I confidently predict they'll adjust as needed to stay in business.
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I agree with MD.
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:43 PM   #6
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Well I hope we all post comments and that the comments help cooler heads prevail and ends up without the FDA regulating cigars. Matters not whose predictions are right, this is not regulation that will make smoking cigars easier.
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Old 06-13-2014, 04:41 AM   #7
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What I don't see happening is every manufacturer out there raising their prices to $10+/per, as cbid and the others are saying.

Keep in mind that the FDA has "controlled" cigarettes for decades. Sure, manufacturers don't want that to happen to cigars, but I confidently predict they'll adjust as needed to stay in business.
How it will affect cigar smoking and the selling of cigars is a huge unknown. I don't think they will go out of business. Although you never know, they could easily say no more shipping to individuals (ya know, cause 12 year olds buy 100 cigars at a time).

The law giving the FDA control over tobacco was written by Altria. It's a win/win for politicians, anti-tobacco and tobacco. Politicians and anti-tobacco get to say they did something and tobacco companies get no competition. The cigarette companies to some degree view cigars as a competition. I think when they wrote this they didn't envision ecigs as a big deal. Ecigs are going nuts and taking market from cigarette companies. That is why the FDA last year simply tried to ban them.
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Old 06-13-2014, 07:20 AM   #8
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E cigs are the greatest surprise of my life. I can't even imagine where they are going. Fad? lasting product? contraband? Good god, you can go nuts trying to put together a coherent judgement of which faction will eventually win in the coming war against them. Proponents, opponents, taxation proponents, health care interests? Where in hell is this one going? I still wonder how many institutions have failed to put a policy in place for "nicotine" products that are not "tobacco" products. When cigarettes were banned in some places, like schools, dip was still allowed, until "tobacco" was banned. Nicotine wasn't.

Just a mind boggling series of questions.
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Old 06-16-2014, 04:25 AM   #10
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What I don't see happening is every manufacturer out there raising their prices to $10+/per, as cbid and the others are saying.

Keep in mind that the FDA has "controlled" cigarettes for decades. Sure, manufacturers don't want that to happen to cigars, but I confidently predict they'll adjust as needed to stay in business.
Let me clarify.

The FDA is currently in the process of defining what a premium cigar is in order to exclude it from regulation..

One of the defining points has to do with price. The draft they're proposing has a line item that says that in order for any cigar to qualify as 'premium', it must be sold for no less than $10.00 per (among many other things).

Hence, manufacturers and sellers, like my company, will be forced to raise prices to that level in order to comply with the law and sell premium cigars.

When you say we will 'adjust' under new regulation, that's how we'll do it. Unless, of course, we get enough support from the public to change the verbiage of their proposal.

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