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DCarp · 05-20-2009, 01:01 PM

BOTL's and SOTL's, I've been a member of this site now for a long time and I've seen that a number of you are highly knowledgeable when it comes to countering the anti-smoking lobby. I've seen a ton of statistics and reports quoted in comments on this site and in articles on external sites. Some of you can really hold your own. Unfortunately, I can't, And I assume that some of our other members here can't either.

What I'd like to do is use this thread to post good talking points (short, digestable pieces of information) that we members can grab if we see an anti-smoking lobby article out there in the wild.

An example would be this one Big John used on the Texas Statesman Website :

Quote:

read the British Medical Journal study... Conclusions: The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed. http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7398/1057

Believe it or not, WE are the smoking lobby. The only way we can fight back bans and other garbage is to counter their arguments and get information out there ourselves.

Thanks,
Dave

Wang Lung · 05-20-2009, 01:13 PM

I wish you all the luck in the world.

The JD · 05-20-2009, 01:58 PM

I'll definately help out on this, but I'm about to head out for the night. I'll hopefully have time tomorrow.

TommyBB · 05-20-2009, 04:10 PM

Very good, David.
I hope BigJohn and tonycsmoke, among others will help out, too.
Then I'll see about getting this also posted up there in Resources.

tchapchap · 05-20-2009, 06:36 PM

This is excellent!

Thanks for taking the initiative David!

BigJohn · 05-20-2009, 07:23 PM

If you look in some of Tommy's other "ban news" threads you'll see some other articles he's posted that I've tried to attack. The study in that link is my silver bullet, but I do manage a cogent argument or 2 on top of them....
Here is one on the Elkhart Indiana story on MSNBC(ommunists).com

Wow, I just had another good one...

TommyBB · 05-20-2009, 08:25 PM

That Velda is dummyerer than a bocks of rox.

BigJohn · 05-20-2009, 08:38 PM

Yup.
If it didnt' come on a pamphlet printed by the "Smoke free state" crowd, it can't be true!

DCarp · 05-21-2009, 03:28 AM

Thanks Big John--if anyone has some other information, feel free to post it here or PM me. I have a document I'm building now.
Cheers.

tonycsmoke · 05-21-2009, 04:02 AM

Here I am to save the day...............well maybe not save.

This is a big complicated arguement to say the least. Its been twisted in so many directions that its not funny. Essentially, the other side will do or say anything. They feel that they have a blank check to stop the evil tobacco industry.

A pretty good resource is the ban the ban wisconsin site. http://banthebanwisconsin.wordpress....g-the-science/

I'll get more for you guys - been arguing this for a couple of years - know more than I care to know.

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TommyBB Editor-in-Chief Herf God Join Date: Aug 1998 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 85,755	Very good, David. I hope BigJohn and tonycsmoke, among others will help out, too. Then I'll see about getting this also posted up there in Resources. __________________ +In Memory of E.Guevara(Cubano67)W.Orlando(Shadow) A.Morris (Knife) D.Odom (dodom) D.Revermann (dgr) S.Bouchard (sb1396) M.Cole (Matt76) S.Faccenda (TOJE) R.Smith(IBMer) V.Vandermeer (van55)M.Davis(boxdoctor)S.Singer(bassman)K.Doetze l (drillrk1)D.Hart(garme1962)J.Coleman(John C 81)T.Gossett(Dartplayer1)J.Bolt (jb)E.J.Ferralles(CaballoPinto)M.Cataldo(FVFanMC)K Payne(SanchoPanza)F.Seltzer(Mowee)+LB+Connor Olson+Micah Kercheval+Maggie Bonefas+Karen

05-20-2009, 06:36 PM	#5
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05-20-2009, 07:23 PM	#6
BigJohn Chief Geek, @cigarweekly Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Atlanta (north burbs - Woodsto Posts: 14,098	If you look in some of Tommy's other "ban news" threads you'll see some other articles he's posted that I've tried to attack. The study in that link is my silver bullet, but I do manage a cogent argument or 2 on top of them.... Here is one on the Elkhart Indiana story on MSNBC(ommunists).com Wow, I just had another good one... __________________ Government breaks our legs, then hands us a pair of crutches and says, "You see? If it wasn't for us you wouldn't be able to walk.".... Aren't we so lucky!? Need a website? Get one from a BOTL - > PM me! *"I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."* Help support the CigarWeekly webhost (me!) > Shop online? Start HERE: direct to Amazon.com Protect your computer from VIRUSES > Get Avast! Last edited by BigJohn; 05-20-2009 at 07:36 PM.

05-20-2009, 08:25 PM	#7
TommyBB Editor-in-Chief Herf God Join Date: Aug 1998 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 85,755	That Velda is dummyerer than a bocks of rox. __________________ +In Memory of E.Guevara(Cubano67)W.Orlando(Shadow) A.Morris (Knife) D.Odom (dodom) D.Revermann (dgr) S.Bouchard (sb1396) M.Cole (Matt76) S.Faccenda (TOJE) R.Smith(IBMer) V.Vandermeer (van55)M.Davis(boxdoctor)S.Singer(bassman)K.Doetze l (drillrk1)D.Hart(garme1962)J.Coleman(John C 81)T.Gossett(Dartplayer1)J.Bolt (jb)E.J.Ferralles(CaballoPinto)M.Cataldo(FVFanMC)K Payne(SanchoPanza)F.Seltzer(Mowee)+LB+Connor Olson+Micah Kercheval+Maggie Bonefas+Karen

05-20-2009, 01:58 PM	#3
The JD Herf Meister Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 6,770	I'll definately help out on this, but I'm about to head out for the night. I'll hopefully have time tomorrow.

05-20-2009, 08:38 PM	#8
BigJohn Chief Geek, @cigarweekly Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Atlanta (north burbs - Woodsto Posts: 14,098	Yup. If it didnt' come on a pamphlet printed by the "Smoke free state" crowd, it can't be true! __________________ Government breaks our legs, then hands us a pair of crutches and says, "You see? If it wasn't for us you wouldn't be able to walk.".... Aren't we so lucky!? Need a website? Get one from a BOTL - > PM me! *"I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."* Help support the CigarWeekly webhost (me!) > Shop online? Start HERE: direct to Amazon.com Protect your computer from VIRUSES > Get Avast!

05-21-2009, 03:28 AM	#9
DCarp Contributing Editor Club Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Springfield VA Posts: 1,698	Thanks Big John--if anyone has some other information, feel free to post it here or PM me. I have a document I'm building now. Cheers.

05-21-2009, 04:02 AM	#10
tonycsmoke Club Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: St Louis Posts: 2,954	Here I am to save the day...............well maybe not save. This is a big complicated arguement to say the least. Its been twisted in so many directions that its not funny. Essentially, the other side will do or say anything. They feel that they have a blank check to stop the evil tobacco industry. A pretty good resource is the ban the ban wisconsin site. http://banthebanwisconsin.wordpress....g-the-science/ I'll get more for you guys - been arguing this for a couple of years - know more than I care to know. __________________ "Homer, slow down you'll kill us" yelled Marge. "Or die trying" exclaimed Homer.

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