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InfrnalSky · 10-23-2004, 02:44 PM

If the embargo ended and we were allowed to do business in Cuba and such, do you think the big name companies (Arturo Fuente, Camacho, Padron, etc.) would make a move to Cuba and start making Cuban cigars?

How about if they started using both Cuban and non-Cuban together? I think I could enjoy an Opus X with Cuban filler. How about an Arturo Fuente Cuban Anejo "Shark"? Maybe even a PAM or PAN wrapped around Cuban Filler

mmm.... I keep thinking of the possibilities......

Eddie

solomr2 · 10-23-2004, 03:02 PM

This depends on so many different things. If the embargo ended, is it because Castro died? Or because the USA decides its not working (after 45 years) so might as well? Whatever it is, there will be confusion and instability at first.

Eventually, the old cigar families will probably start a legal battle to take back their farms, and their family brand names. Lots of weird things are likely to happen.

Some will probably establish new operations in Cuba, some will probably import Cuba tobacco. The combinations you speak of are possible, but unlikely - most of the established families will likely start a new line and leave those well established lines alone, at least until things stabilize and they can get consistency and quality to a level they are comfortable with.

Eagle · 10-23-2004, 03:44 PM

I can just see the lawyers licking there chops now

cvm4 · 10-23-2004, 03:54 PM

I think there will be an infusion of conterfeits if the embargo ended. I say keep the embargo. Atleast that way we know we're getting the real deal without the taxes.

DocRKS · 10-23-2004, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by InfrnalSky

How about if they started using both Cuban and non-Cuban together? I think I could enjoy an Opus X with Cuban filler.

Eddie

I realize that we are playing hypotheticals here --- but the "point" of the Opus X was a statement by Carlito that he COULD grow a 100% DR cigar - including the wrapper !!!!! in spite of all of the experts who told him it was impossible!

As for your main point -- I'm sure that attorneys on both sides of this question have been contemplating and setting out their course of action for years now !!! Once Habana product becomes legal here - the only thing for certain is that the price will go UP to reflect all of the taxes that will be put on the cigars.

InfrnalSky · 10-23-2004, 04:20 PM

I'm pretty sure you guys are right about all the legal stuff. I was just thinking about, after all the legal stuff and the taking back of the family plantations and such were worked out, what kinds of new creations would come about. Everything is great as it is now, but who knows what the future of cigars may hold once the embargo (or if I should say) is lifted. I think it may get really ugly for the first few decades and such, but once it's all taken care of, I think the future of the cigar will get very interesting (and tastey) indeed! Just my .02 cents.

Eddie

ZachS · 10-23-2004, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DocRKS

As for your main point -- I'm sure that attorneys on both sides of this question have been contemplating and setting out their course of action for years now !!! Once Habana product becomes legal here - the only thing for certain is that the price will go UP to reflect all of the taxes that will be put on the cigars.

And I can buy luxury cigarettes for $20/carton including shipping from Switzerland. I have no doubt that us CW'ers will always manage to get what we need without going bankrupt.

As for bandwagon-jumpers and everybody else, who cares?

Zach

sb1396 · 10-23-2004, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DocRKS

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Originally Posted by InfrnalSky

How about if they started using both Cuban and non-Cuban together? I think I could enjoy an Opus X with Cuban filler.

Eddie

I realize that we are playing hypotheticals here --- but the "point" of the Opus X was a statement by Carlito that he COULD grow a 100% DR cigar - including the wrapper !!!!! in spite of all of the experts who told him it was impossible!

As for your main point -- I'm sure that attorneys on both sides of this question have been contemplating and setting out their course of action for years now !!! Once Habana product becomes legal here - the only thing for certain is that the price will go UP to reflect all of the taxes that will be put on the cigars.

I'm most concerned about a hit to quality if the embargo is lifted. For the first couple years the demand will probably just explode. If they increase production to try to meet demand there could be a hit to quality. Anyhow, just my main concern.

sharil · 10-23-2004, 08:35 PM

it would be great if they mix some of the cuban tobacco in. Would love to try that.

But on their own they already make great cigars.

An interesting questions anyway

heiko · 10-23-2004, 08:48 PM

The embargo could end with or without fidel & cuba could still be a communist country. Even if it were to become a democracy they still wouldn't have to let anyone from the outside make cigars in cuba or use cuban tobacco to make cigars outside cuba. the only ones punished by the embargo are the cuban people & for their sake i'd like to see it lifted. the demand would skyrocket & since castro & the cuban gov't are such great capitalists they would be quick to raise the prices as high as needed to control supply & demand. the duty & local taxes already in place on tobacco in the USA would rise as the lawmakers love sin taxes. the counterfeiters would flourish as their profit margins would expand & the new unknowing market would buy thinking they were getting a bargain. of course all this is hypothetical & IMHO.

as my mom used to say "you've got to enjoy it while you can"

10-23-2004, 02:44 PM	#1
InfrnalSky Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 1,149	Another "What if the embargo ended question?" Ques If the embargo ended and we were allowed to do business in Cuba and such, do you think the big name companies (Arturo Fuente, Camacho, Padron, etc.) would make a move to Cuba and start making Cuban cigars? How about if they started using both Cuban and non-Cuban together? I think I could enjoy an Opus X with Cuban filler. How about an Arturo Fuente Cuban Anejo "Shark"? Maybe even a PAM or PAN wrapped around Cuban Filler mmm.... I keep thinking of the possibilities...... Eddie

10-23-2004, 03:02 PM	#2
solomr2 Herf Meister Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Cone of Death & Destruction Posts: 5,333	This depends on so many different things. If the embargo ended, is it because Castro died? Or because the USA decides its not working (after 45 years) so might as well? Whatever it is, there will be confusion and instability at first. Eventually, the old cigar families will probably start a legal battle to take back their farms, and their family brand names. Lots of weird things are likely to happen. Some will probably establish new operations in Cuba, some will probably import Cuba tobacco. The combinations you speak of are possible, but unlikely - most of the established families will likely start a new line and leave those well established lines alone, at least until things stabilize and they can get consistency and quality to a level they are comfortable with. __________________ A broken Punch whore. Now I smoke anything I can get.

10-23-2004, 03:44 PM	#3
Eagle Club Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hope Mills NC Posts: 1,607	I can just see the lawyers licking there chops now

10-23-2004, 03:54 PM	#4
cvm4 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 3,411	I think there will be an infusion of conterfeits if the embargo ended. I say keep the embargo. Atleast that way we know we're getting the real deal without the taxes.

10-23-2004, 04:20 PM	#6
InfrnalSky Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 1,149	I'm pretty sure you guys are right about all the legal stuff. I was just thinking about, after all the legal stuff and the taking back of the family plantations and such were worked out, what kinds of new creations would come about. Everything is great as it is now, but who knows what the future of cigars may hold once the embargo (or if I should say) is lifted. I think it may get really ugly for the first few decades and such, but once it's all taken care of, I think the future of the cigar will get very interesting (and tastey) indeed! Just my .02 cents. Eddie

10-23-2004, 08:35 PM	#9
sharil Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Malaysia Posts: 864	it would be great if they mix some of the cuban tobacco in. Would love to try that. But on their own they already make great cigars. An interesting questions anyway

10-23-2004, 08:48 PM	#10
heiko Starting Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 16	The embargo could end with or without fidel & cuba could still be a communist country. Even if it were to become a democracy they still wouldn't have to let anyone from the outside make cigars in cuba or use cuban tobacco to make cigars outside cuba. the only ones punished by the embargo are the cuban people & for their sake i'd like to see it lifted. the demand would skyrocket & since castro & the cuban gov't are such great capitalists they would be quick to raise the prices as high as needed to control supply & demand. the duty & local taxes already in place on tobacco in the USA would rise as the lawmakers love sin taxes. the counterfeiters would flourish as their profit margins would expand & the new unknowing market would buy thinking they were getting a bargain. of course all this is hypothetical & IMHO. as my mom used to say "you've got to enjoy it while you can"